Wednesday, November 20, 2013

PERSONAL CONCLUSIONS OF SURVEY, questions 1-9


WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THIS SURVEY

I am no doctor of psychology, or Bishop, or expert in the field of life-ology. But this is MY blog, and I believe that anyone can read a survey and learn something from it as I have. I also happen to be the one conducting the research. So please bear with me as I interpret what I believe to be the conclusions of the year long survey for the LDS Divorced Women.  

The thing about surveys and studies is that they are full of numbers and statistics. This survey is no exception. I feel that the numbers in this case are very powerful and are quite telling. Interestingly enough though, the part that touched me the most were the personal comments.  

Due to the numbers and repeated comments, I chose to record a very small sample of the actual voices of the divorcees. I wanted you to hear what they had to say. Sure, numbers speak for themselves loud and clear, but then there are the comments coming straight from their broken and healing hearts. Nothing is more powerful than their own words.

The sad thing is that I don’t think anyone will read this except other divorce victims. I have hoped that those who have NOT experienced divorce would want to know what they can do to better support this segment of society. But I know better. I know that families are busy and are concerned about their own worlds and schedules. Not because they are bad people, or just don't care. Mostly because they are not aware, and really are busy raising their families and slaying their own dragons. 

I also know that the word “divorce” is not exactly that happy place. It’s like saying “I think I will go study about poop for my spare time.” It is not a pleasant subject, especially for the average “married-successfully” person. I wouldn’t want to dwell there either if I didn't have to, to be honest. I prefer to spend my internet time looking up vacation spots, or tips on beautiful scrapbooking. I’d rather read about broken bones than about broken homes and families. 

Regardless, there is a group of our own people who feel left out, alone, deserted, afraid. They have spoken out, they have stated the out-of-the-ordinary. They have given us their truth about the devastation of life after marriage to the wrong person.

I personally was touched to read their comments. Sometimes I thought what they had to say might offend someone and was tempted not to add it. Then I remembered that I was here to expose the truth. Not sugar coat it. In each statistic there is extreme pain. On occasion there is hope, sprinkled with moments of great charity and healing.

I hope that the information included in this survey is informational and educational. I hope that we can use this information to narrow the gap between divorcees and their ward families. I would hope that each person would walk away from this reading thinking about a divorced person in their ward, neighborhood, family that they are going to call and check on, and ask out to lunch, or to a movie, or just to say hi. 

I'm hoping that these divorce survivors will start to be included into the parties that they were involved in before the divorce took place. I would like to see the word "divorce" lose it's position on the list of sins and transgressions in church members minds. And the stigma of being a "husband snatcher" disappear for all time. In my perfect world everyone who came to church would feel loved, wanted, needed, and appreciated.....no matter what stage of life they are in. 

We are Christ's Church after all. This church is not only for the elite families who are on the fast track to the eternities. We are on Christ's track, all of us, helping each other along as we take turns stumbling and getting back up, putting on band-aids and continuing our hike. 

"The Church is not a place where perfect people gather to say perfect things or have perfect thoughts, or have perfect feelings. The Church is where imperfect people gather to provide encouragement, support, service and love to each other as we press on in our journey to return to our Heavenly Father."                                                                ---Elder Joseph B. Worthlin

But I promised to give you my conclusions and thoughts about the survey results.

Question number 1. 
I find it interesting that over 70% of the divorces were initiated by the women in the relationship. I have a rough time believing that it's because the guys are always at fault and are always the jerks. I have seen some pretty miserable marriages where it was obvious that the woman was at fault. I have seen quite a few wives that John Lund would call "porcupines." No matter how bad she was, in these instances, the guy refused to leave and break up the family. I then wonder if men aren't more patient with imperfections than we are as women. I also realize that according to these statistics, most of the women left because the guy was abusive, cheating, personality disorders, or was addicted to something. These kinds of behaviors are dead-ends 99% of the time. But I wonder if there aren't quite a few women out there with the same kinds of craziness but the guy does not leave them. Now, I also understand that women are in more of a vulnerable situation when it comes to abuse, and must do what they can to protect themselves and their children. It just makes me want to survey regular married couples and see how many guys are just hanging on. In my opinion, and from my research, guys are even more co-dependent than women are. Now don't get me wrong, I think the word "co-dependence" has been misused the past 20 years or so. It is not a negative thing to NEED relationships in our lives. It is the way God made us. We inherently need others in our lives. It is not natural to be so independent of other relationships. I believe it leads to narcissism. Everybody needs to be loved. It is the number one human need, even above food and water.  I'm just thinking that men will hang on to a bad relationship longer over the option of being alone, though, in most cases they have the advantage of not having to worry as much for personal safety. Although there have been instances, even among our own surveyed, who would beg to differ.


Question number 2.
I think that the most shocking part of the whole survey is this statistic. The number one reason women leave is for abuse of some sort. We are talking inside the church. Inside a church that teaches us to be Christlike everyday, that specifically teaches the men how to be good Priesthood holders. I tend to wonder if much of the abuse comes from the addictions, if they don't come first? Then the behavior? Or is it generational? I could ask these questions in the survey, but I don't know how open abusers are to admitting they have a problem, and don't tend to blame it on the behaviors of the wife and/or children? "If they would behave properly, I wouldn't have to beat them." Though physical abuse is more rampant than we want to believe, many who have been through the emotional abuse claim that it was worse than physical. If they are beat, it is obvious to others and easier to get out. The bruises heal, the ego takes a little longer. But crazy-making, manipulations, passive aggressive behaviors are harder to be seen by others, making it harder to get out of and have any type of support team. Women tend to get out sooner with physical abuse, where emotional can go on forever, and the damage take longer to undo.

As a woman, the idea that I find interesting is when a guy cheats on his wife and then, when caught, announces "but it didn't mean anything to me." I am still trying to comprehend why guys think that this will make a difference in their case. Maybe a guy can explain this to me. From time immemorial guys have believed that it is ok for them to mess around, but not the woman. Cheaters are very protective of their wives and would not be very happy to find that their wives were doing the same to them. Another question for the men. And when I say "men," I am saying the "natural man," not ALL MEN. The old saying "what is good for the goose is good for the gander." Not according to THOSE men. If you remember, when Mary Magdalene was brought before Jesus for adultery, did you ever wonder where the man was in this scenario? It obviously takes two to tango. Why were not two thrown down at his feet? And when Jesus said that he who was without sin cast the first stone, I believe he was meaning this very kind of sin. I believe he was saying, in His way, that He knew them to also be adulterous. I believe that man has tried, and successfully, to place blame on the women for their infidelities. I understand that men are more "revved up" for a better term, sexually. I also know that while I am not a man, that our main purpose for coming to earth was to gain a body. Then our hardest task was to make our spirit master over that body. The "natural man" is an enemy to God, therefore, our struggle is to every day, every minute, be above what our flesh is craving. Mastering ourselves. If it was not humanly possible, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" would not be part of our ten commandments. So, no, it is not ok for men to sleep around, even if it "meant nothing" to them. If you try to tell me it is because your "woman doesn't perform" I'll probably slap you silly. If a woman has no joy in the sexual part of  your relationship, then it very likely is the fruits of your relationship. If you are not taking care of her, loving her, helping her with household duties and the children, adoring and cherishing and appreciating her, and being a good lover....she will not respond in bed. Period. A happy wife "performs." It's only natural. This is where you want to make your investment of time and effort. And then you will reap the rewards.

I feel greatly for the couple who is trying to overcome addiction. My hat goes off to those women (or men) who stick by their stricken partner and try to support them through recovery. I don't know if I would be that strong personally, so I admire those who do. I also do not judge those who cannot. Porn is like a drug that washes over the brain and changes them. It is one of Satan's greatest tools for completely incapacitating a human being in their ability to accomplish their life's mission. The same thing with any kind of addiction. It is like pulling the plug on a toaster and expecting it to still toast your bread. It just can't, and it doesn't want to, and it doesn't care that it doesn't want to. I was speaking to a bishop of a married ward at BYU. He told me ten years ago that 2/3 of his ward's brethren were addicted to porn. These are the cream of the crop of our youngsters. It's tempting to move out to a cabin with no internet or television just to save our boys and girls from pornography's harmful effects.

Question number 3.
It appears that most of the divorces take place within the first ten years. This coincides with national statistics as well. The only difference is that in the church most divorces take place in the first five years, then the next five years is the next largest. I think this is a good sign, that the hypocrites, mismatches are quickly remedied. I have too often heard the sad story of women in particular who fall for guys who are putting on the "Peter Priesthood" act, which does not last after marriage. This kind of act is hard to keep up and is most often dropped during the honeymoon. "They changed personalities after the altar" is a common story in the church, both male and female. For some reason the predatory personalities prefer the sweet and innocent as spouses, they tend to be naive and will never guess what they are up to, even if it is blatant.

                                                           NATIONAL STATISTICS
4 & 5. Once a woman realizes that the marriage is not to be saved, she still stays and sometimes for a very long time. Why? One tenth get out within the first year. The majority stick it out for between 1 and 20 years. Only 4.7% divorce after 20 years, and very few, if any, after 40 years of marriage.

I want to address the last statistic, why few divorce after 40 years. Some might believe that the older folks come from a different time when people just stuck it out. It just wasn't done in those days. "You made your bed, now sleep in it..." kind of thinking. There were those who were meant to be happy in marriage and those who weren't. It was a crap-shoot. You just hoped you'd be the lucky one.

Divorces were harder to get in those days, and fault had to be proved. Someone had to have had an affair, or had to have been extremely abusive, or some such extreme case. Even then, women were expected to "know their place" and take whatever was given to them, regardless. Some of that belief is still prevalent today.

Many states started moving towards "no-fault" divorces, and the divorce rate increased tremendously. With the court system being a little easier to navigate, many women jumped at the chance to get out of their bad marriage. Yet many women still hesitated to. Taking into consideration that most women (going through divorce) are dealing with abuse on some level, cheating spouses, personality disorders, or addictions....not to mention those who have discovered the true identity of their homo-sexual-pretending-to-be-straight partner. These women see those who "have it" in their marriage relationship, the ones who walk hand in hand along the shore, who steal a kiss while the kids are fighting in the back seat of the car, those magical few who share that "look" when they think no one else is looking. Don't think they don't see those families on the fast track to the eternities, and don't think that this image is what they aren't aching for every inch of their bodies, in every part of their souls.

I recognize, now, those marriages that are just surviving. My husband and I volunteered for a sealing assignment at the temple this morning. A few couples joined us from the ward. Two of the couples had that gleam in their eye when they looked at each other over the alter. It was the same one I was sharing with my sweet husband. Then there was the one couple who could not make eye contact. She glued her eyes to the sealer, and he to the altar. I recognized the great effort it took to avoid looking at each other, I used to do the same thing with my first husband. As obvious as it was to me watching them, I wondered if others watched us and thought the same thing. Or did I notice it because I had been there?
Was my look of hopelessness as obvious as was this woman's? There is the magic word, hope. Sometimes we hold onto hope too long.

We want to believe that if we just live a little bit better, if we just read the right "Fix Your Marriage" book, or take enough classes on marriage, that one day our family will look like that too. In some cases that may do the trick, but when dealing with personality disorders, addictions, grown adults who have been raised badly with dysfunctioning parents, or whatever the excuse, nothing that the woman does will change anything. Then the question arises as to why we wait so long once we come to the realization that there is no hope for that "eternal family" with this partner?

Most stated emphatically that because they were married in the temple, they could not "break their covenant." If the marriage covenant is looked upon this way then to some it is considered a life time and eternal prison sentence. It means that you are stuck with this horrid person for the eternities. Too bad for you, you chose poorly. God's plan is a plan of happiness, not misery. He means for us to have the same kind of happiness that He has. One of the most amazing joys in our existence is to be loved romantically, to be cherished and protected and cared for. This is what our loving Heavenly Father wants for us. If we are young and foolish and choose a mate from our limited life's experiences during that "I-know-everything" stage and are expected to live with the consequences for the eternities, that does not sound like a very loving Father to me. I am truly surprised that there are any who marry well the first time. Thank heavens there are. Otherwise there would be no example for the rest of us, and no hope for us to look forward to.

In most cases the covenant had been broken already by the cheating, addicted, abusive partner not living up to his covenants. I am convinced that the "everlasting covenant of marriage" was never meant to be considered as prison gates, but as a protection to a family. It was not meant as an "owner's manual" to the vindictive, controlling partner. I do not believe that a loving Heavenly Father wants any of his children to be abused, or stuck in a dead end life. I believe that He believes in new beginnings. Having a chance to be "born-again" and start over. Even if it means putting aside a temple sealing with the wrong person, and making it right, to someone who is deserving and worthy.

The ones who stuck it out the longest was because there were children involved. I know many who stayed in until their children were of age to not be fought over in court and made to choose. The next highest was because they could not afford to leave. The husband had control of the finances, and would not give them an attorney allowance. Many of these women had been "stay-at-home" moms, or if they did work, they did not make enough to take on all of the extra expense of legal fees.

Most were afraid of the reactions of their associates in and out of the church. Divorce is not very popular in the church, and a woman leaving a man is considered the worst kind of woman. It is not a pretty picture, and is one I am hoping to dispel, at least to some degree. "Men are that they might have joy." Some men believe that statement literally, meaning men only are entitled to happiness. "Woman are that they might help men have joy."

Don't get me wrong, I am no feminist. But I do believe that Heavenly Father loves His daughters as much as He does His sons. I also do not believe that they are on earth to be exploited by men. "Help-meet" means "partner." A man and a woman who spends their lives trying to make the other happy is the highest of joys that can be attained in this life. It is the most basic of human needs. To love and be loved. Unfortunately, even women buy into this "lot of women."

Members of a family ward can be the most cruel of all in a person's circle of support when it comes to divorce, and the worst supporters can be the other women. I understand now why women wait for so long until they can no longer take it. They know that they will be sacrificing their standing in society, their reputation, their support, and their friends. As bad as they think it is going to be, it is usually worse. Getting support from the men is not much better, though some have had it at some level. There is every reason to understand why women fear to face the "church" and sever their marriage vows.

Some fear their husbands wrath once they find out they are "escaping." Some have the fear of their husbands winning the children in the court battle. Others have asked in prayer for a confirmation in their decision and waited until they got the go ahead. And the saddest scenario of all is when she still loves him. There is the heart break. Often the negative behavior of the spouse has chased away all affection, but not always.

In all cases, it is hard. It takes incredible courage and strength. It is a lonely battle, one that no one can understand unless they have been through it themselves. If you have a supportive group of friends and family, you truly are blessed indeed. Then hold on tight for the nightmare of your life!

6. How big of a trial was this for you?

96% believe divorce is a major trial. No surprise there. Only 4% felt like it was no big deal. I am surprised that it was that high actually. How does one go through the divorce process unscathed? The court system alone condones a battle field. You get attorneys involved who want to drag out the process so they can make as much money as possible, and who often either over dramatize non-issues, or over look important issues. Most laws lean in favor of the women as far as getting the house and children goes. But many times they are also saddled with the debt. I remember my family law attorney friend telling me how much he hated doing divorce. He said "No one wins." No matter what the results are at the end of the day, neither will be happy. They never get all that they wanted, a family has been split up, both are poorer than they were before, and everyone involved feels destroyed. "No one wins." 

7. During the divorce did you ever consider committing suicide or running away, or both? 

A little less than half of women had thoughts of suicide or running away during the divorce, or both. This is another indicator of just how hard it is for those going through the divorce process. It takes a lot of courage to come to the point of making the hard decision to leave. In almost every case, as much as they dread the back-lash of everyone's reactions to the news, it is usually worse than they could ever have imagined. At the time it feels insurmountable. It seems like life is over, and will never be the same. It is true, it will never be the same, hopefully it will be better. Financially it may or may not be. If there is abuse, infidelity, addiction in the equation, the lack of these things will be better. But with it also comes the feeling of loss of that relationship for most. Once upon a time he was your best friend, your lover, your confidant. The next he is your enemy, too often doing things to you that you never knew he could. My daughter's mother-in-law gave her some good advice during my divorce. She was baffled at the craziness of her parents during they period of time. She wisely counseled "never judge a person during a divorce, you will see the ugliest sides of a person, they are both fighting desperately for their future survival and the animal comes out in them, spurred on by the court system." It is so true. Even those who have tried to have an amicable separation have been forced into the "boxing ring" by the legal system.





For me it was the first time I felt like living. I was looking forward to having the experience of being loved for a change. I felt like I had been set free from my cage. Even so, the process of divorce, with all of the gossiping from friends and ward members, distance from those who should have stepped forward to offer support, and loss of relationships, it's never a pleasant experience to plow through. Counseling is imperative to survival in these cases. We have to have SOMEONE to talk to about what we are going through even if we have to pay them to do so. We all survived and knew that quitting was not an option. Suicide is not an option in our church, we know that there are heavy penalties when we face our master. It doesn't solve anything but makes it worse. A permanent solution to a temporary problem.

8. What were the ages of your children when going through the divorce? 

That the highest age group was elementary age shouldn't surprise anyone. That is long enough to have children, recognize problems, try to solve the problems, continue to try to work them out, and then find your way out. But for many, like myself, ending the marriage was just not an option. My mom was married to a horrible man, and didn't leave him until he was in prison. My grandma stuck with her alcoholic husband until death. So I figured all marriages were miserable. And I stayed until I came to the realization that staying was not an option any longer. So often we stick it out until the kids are grown and gone. But one thing is true for all. No matter what age they are, divorce tries the children to the core. Some never recover. Some recover faster once the parent leaves the abuse. My parents divorced when I was married for 23 years. I'm sure it was hard for my brothers, but I thought "it's about time." I could have stayed in a bad situation forever too. But what kind of message would that be for my daughters? No matter how badly you are treated, you have to STAY with him? No. Not my girls. Marriage is supposed to be the happiest state of this life. That connection between man and woman is something we all desire, dream about, read novels about. When it becomes a prison sentence, then we are missing out on the best this life has to offer. We just can't be stuck with a decision that we made when we were young and dumb. I don't care if it was in the temple, I don't want to waste another moment of my eternity with the wrong guy, and I might as well be investing in my eternal mate. Children will not understand that. Period. If we could all use a crystal ball when we find a potential mate, it would protect us all from the ravages of an abusive/addictive/cheating marriage followed by a messy divorce. Until then, all we can do is our best to make a happy life with whatever we are dealt. Children eventually come around. 

9. During the divorce, how I communicated with those around me.......

I was hoping to find the magic answer for the best way to plow through a divorce. But no matter what angle she pursued, she felt isolated and deserted. If she told others what she was going through, they would run away. If she didn't tell them, they would run away. No one likes the toxicity of divorce. It is like that "alligator under the bed" that everyone fears. It is everyone's greatest fears that their parents would divorce, or that their spouse would leave them. They see a divorcing person as someone falling down a well, reaching out for someone to stop their fall. Those watching the decent see that anyone who grasps on to this person is going to fall down the well with them. Though it is not true, and their fears are based on the unknown, it is a knee-jerk and typical reaction for people, no matter how close you thought you were. I lost 75% of my friends. Certain family stepped forward, and many disappeared. I kept my problems to myself through the whole marriage because if I tried to tell them that our "picture perfect" family was fake, they would get angry with me. There were some major red flags, and if I mentioned them I was immediately shut down. Instead I got "how does it feel to be married to the most Christ-like man that ever lived?" Eventually I stopped talking. I guess I wasn't surprised when my friends were so shocked at the announcement. If they had been good friends and had listened to me, they wouldn't have been so much in the dark. I wonder if we can't work on our "friend-skills" a little in this life? How many of our friends are "fair-weather" friends only? "Until problems do you part?" It's good to know who your "through thick and thin" friends really are. The biggest thing a friend can do when someone is going through a divorce is listen. Just listen. We have to get stuff off our chest, then we feel better. We may even have to say the same thing over and over again for a while. Then someday it gets better, and then it will be my turn to listen to you. That's what friends are all about. 



  

Wednesday, October 23, 2013

WHY DO I CARE?


NOTES FROM THE AUTHOR


ME WITH THREE OF MY TEN GRANDCHILDREN

This post has been temporarily taken down due to a court ordered Temporary Protective Order from my ex. 

Stay tuned, we will be back! 

SURVEY RESULTS FOR LDS DIVORCED WOMEN, part 11



Over the major part of 2012 and 2013, divorced members of the LDS faith participated in a multi-national survey. Respondents included members residing in the U.S., Europe, the British Isles, New Zealand, and Canada, the majority of input coming from Utah, California, and Idaho. This is part eleven of the survey for LDS Divorced women. 


                                         PART 11

                                          QUESTIONS 41-43



41. Did you and your spouse get counseling while you were married? 


  1. Yes, a lot............................................................................15.6%
  2. Yes, a little.........................................................................26.6%
  3. No, didn't think of it............................................................6.9%
  4. No, he refused...................................................................30.6%
  5. No, we couldn't afford it.....................................................4.0%
  6. Yes, through the church resources.....................................10.4%
  7. Yes, through private means.................................................5.8%





TOO MANY LOOK BACK WITH REGRET FOR HAVING DIVORCED,
THOUGH MOST FELT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY


42. Looking back, do you regret getting a divorce and wish you could have worked it out instead?


  1. Yes, I wish we hadn't done it, we should have worked it out...........13.9%
  2. No, it was absolutely necessary........................................................86.1%          





SUGGESTION: WRITE OUT A DETAILED LIST OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR

43. What changes are you making in looking for your next relationship (if any)?

  • A SMALL SAMPLE OF COMMENTS:
  • First I need to get myself whole, and heal from the past. 
  1. "Making sure i am healed so old baggage doesnt carry over in to new relationship."
  2. "I have made so many changes in myself, my life, my attitude and have found healing from childhood wounds. Those were absolutely necessary before moving on. And I have done a lot of emotional healing work coupled with understanding the Atonement."
  3. "Making sure that I'm worthy of the kind of man that I want/need for me and my children. Trying to forgive. Trying to let go of the past."
  4. "Counseling to understand my own patterns of codependency."
  5. "Working on myself."
  6. " Become a whole person now rather than waiting for someone to 'complete me'; take care of myself better physically, mentally and spiritually."
  7. "I have looked at the qualities of abuse that I was drawn too..I am again divorced from an alcoholic, who fell off the wagon after marriage. I never want to end up in that situation again. I have friends who meet the guy I am dating and tell me their impressions too."
  8. "I am working hard to shed the natural man and become who I am. I'm not as much doing it for a future spouse as I am for myself and my children and my God. I have a healthier perception of my worth, and so I know that I won't fall for someone again who will exploit my low self esteem."
  9. "I am making sure I know who I am and have a better self esteem before I look for some one else so that my needs are met also within a relationship."
  10. "Tell what is bothering me before I grow angry and express it the wrong way. Be more talkative Express gratitude and appreciation more often Be more open to criticism."
  11. "Understanding myself. Not compromising. Being real. Trust instincts. Love self."
  12. "More confidence! Following The Lord more."
  13. "I'm working on my self esteem so I won't settle next time."
  14. "Have myself in a confident, loving place."
  15. "I am working on not being critical and judgmental, or trying to change a potential partner. If I don't like somethings about them while dating I need to learn to live with it or move on. Also, any future spouse must have the similar life goals and expectations."
  16. "It has taken me 24 years to let go and going to sit in the Temple grounds has made me think that now I should do something for me and start looking again for a new partner."
  17. "Trying to set boundaries that are clear with myself..Dropping coy and flirtiness for flirtiness sake and trying to be ttrue to myself as well as kind."
  18. "I tried to see what my contributions were to the breakup and how to not bring those into a second marriage."
  19. "I'm taking a hard look at myself. I loved the info in How to Avoid Falling In Love With a Jerk by John Van Epp. It was recommended by my counselor and has completely changed how I view relationships & how to see the 'red flags.'"
  20. "Focusing on healing myself and understanding my own strengths and weaknesses. I would want to receive counseling from both bishops and I would want to know why his prior marriage dissolved. I would do a background check and talk with a variety of people who know him. I would also seek couples therapy before marriage."
  21. "I have changed the parts of me that weren't great. I may not have been the cause of the divorce, but I needed to work on my self esteem, and other things."
  22. "Trying to continue living the gospel to the best of my ability."
  23. "I pray that I will only be attracted to worthy men and that I, myself, will be worthy of them."
  24. "Not blaming myself for anything other than my own behavior. I can only control myself and my own actions. I'm trying to learn to trust again."
  25. "Taking my time, changing the way I look at things and think about marriage, and staying close to the Spirit."
  26. "Being absolutely sin-free and able to get confirmation from HG."
  27. "Just trying to understand myself, learn better self-management, learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ and of Him more deeply as I can, get out of debt slowly but surely, learn what friendship is and learn to be a good friend and so try to seek out those who can be safe, good friends... keep a sense of humor. be a thankful person, kind, caring, understanding, honest and loyal... and seek those qualities in others... keep to the boundaries I have learned I need, and not let anyone control me or threaten me... let go of unhealthy people and ideas - even about romance, etc., limit what media I read/watch/listen to - to wholesome, uplifting, hopeful themes, when possible... to keep positive and to help stay motivated to keep working and getting through."
  28. "Realizing I have value and worth and they were wrong in judging me."
  29. " Doing my best to get stronger emotionally."
  30. "I've gotten lots of therapy, worked through the abuse issues."
  31. "I'm not sure if I want another relationship. This was so painful and my trust in men is extremely low. It has been a long recovery for me. I have been taught through the spirit, the things about myself that I can do to change. I'm trying not to dwell on past mistakes, but learning to not make them again is the real lesson."
  32. "I am working to be the kind of person I want to attract. I deserve happiness."
  33. " I want to be authentic in how I live and how I serve. I'm trying to be healthier and develop my interests and talents."
  34. "I am making these changes in myself: I am learning more about myself and accepting who I am even with my faults. I am learning about the atonement. I am not worthless. I have great worth! I am finding and using my voice more and being assertive about what I need and want. I am less co-dependent and finding that I am a real person, not just an extension of someone else. I am treating myself better. I stopped eating sugar, started to run a little again, and started to read the scriptures again. I am dejunking not only my house, but my mind as well! I am throwing out all of the junk that does not serve me. I am reaching out to make new friendships and having more fun too. I will be signing up for a swing dance class soon. I am scared, but it is exciting too. It feels like I have been living in a cave for so long, and now I am just starting to come out and into the sun again. The numbness is starting to wear off and I am starting to love myself and actually live."
  35. " I need to learn to love myself first."
  36. "After many years of emotional and verbal abuse and chronic lying, it takes me a while to build myself back up to where I used to be. I also have to reconstruct my life upon the truth and sift through all of the lies I have been believing. I find out more everyday, realizing how bad I had it. I feel like I have been let out of prison. Many are angry with me for breaking it up, but I knew that God finally granted me permission, and His opinion is the one that matters. I am standing up for myself now. No more door mat life for me. No more pretending to be the 'perfect Mormon family.' I have PTSD, and many health issues due to the constant stress, but I am putting myself first for a change, and am getting well." 
  • Take it slow.
  1. "Go slow and get spiritual confirmation."
  2. "Take time to really get to know him before we move the relationship too fast."
  3. "Next time will take things very slow, not get involved in a serious relationship too quickly, will be friends with many singles first, try dating a few different people, don't settle."
  4. "I'm not quite ready for the next relationship yet...although I wish I was. I know I will be looking for some VERY different qualities this time around, and I will be a LOT more observant as to how he interacts with others and what kind of relationship he has with family members, friends, etc. I was naive to a lot before...not any more!"
  5. "I will take plenty of time and get to know him better before marriage, and try to be sure that we want the same things out of life."
  6. "Slow relationship so that I knew my future spouse well."
  7. "Just taking my time, trying to be patient and trust Heavenly Father. "
  8. "really taking my time to get to know me and then when ready for a serious relationship taking the time to really get to know him....people lie....and most that lie arent even honest with themselves."
  9. "Right after a break up we are looking for someone to rescue us. We are very vulnerable, not a good time for choosing a mate. I am taking it slow and enjoying the single's scene, making friends, having fun. I am moving forward very cautiously. I don't want to go through THAT ever again!" 



  • Make sure I know everything about him, past, present, future
  1. "Knowing a lot about the person I marry - take my time and be in lots of different life situations with them. knowing their past better."
  2. "Make sure i realy know the person."
  3. "I'm looking at his actions more than hearing his words."
  4. "My courtship will be longer (dating for almost a year before becoming engaged). This gives the opportunity for fine tuning some things, and avoiding some big upsets, before we're married."
  5. ""I would go into a relationship with my eyes wide open, remember what is important, love of the gospel, family, kindness, trust, integrity." 
  6. "Make sure that everyone is on the same page."
  7. "Working as hard as I can to keep close and connected."
  8. "While I was dating the guy I am now married to, I got onto his computer while he was out of the room to check out where he had been. I could see no sign of porn or anything else inappropriate. I asked questions of my friends about his behavior when I was not there with him, like at parties somewhere else. I met some of his family, and his kids to see what that relationship was like. We talked a lot in person, through texting, emails, and learned more and more what we had in common, and the few things we differed on. We spent a lot of time together and I saw him in every circumstance. He was always a gentleman (even when I wasn't around). He never spoke ill of anyone, and adores his parents and brothers. He has many friends, and takes care of everyone in his circle of influence. I did my homework, and when I couldn't live without him any longer, I married him! I never knew I could be so happy." 
  • He will have to be genuine in the church, temple worthy, church attending....
  1. "They have to be living the gospel fully now. temple attending and love of family."
  2. "I have trust issues and am looking at how strong they are Church-wise."
  3. "Try this time not to marry outside the church."
  4. "He must not just hold a temple recommend, but hold it honestly."
  5. "Temple recommend does not mean they are worthy."
  6. "Realize I'm worthy of someone with the same spiritual and physical goals as myself."
  7. "I would never marry outside of the church. Hopefully the temple."
  8. "Temple Marriage."
  9. "Seeking an active member."
  10. "Going to the temple regularly, reading scriptures every night with my fiancé, talking about how to serve others and ask those questions while dating instead of finding out afterwards."
  11. "I thought I'd married a worthy Priesthood holder the first time."
  12. "I will marry in the temple, or not at all."
  13. "I don't know, how does one see past fake Priesthood holders?"
  14. "That he held a Temple Recomend and loved the Lord and was in good standing..."
  15. "I want someone as committed to the Gospel As I am. More committed to his covenants than to himself."
  16. "I DID ENVY SOME OF THE WOMEN IN THE WARD BECAUSE THEY LOVED THEM ENOUGH TO MARRY THEM IN THE TEMPLE, WHICH I WANT NEXT TIME." 
  17. "My first husband was cheating on me for 30 plus years, all the while he was serving in church callings (such as Bishop, stake presidency, seminary teacher......). I want someone who is genuine. I want someone who loves the Lord like I do, and not for show." 
SEEKING A LIFE PARTNER, AN IMPORTANT DISCOVERY PERIOD

  • He will need to have certain qualities
  1. "Someone emotionally healthy."
  2. "I am more aware of the fact that because someone served a mission doesn't make them a good person. I pay attention to the details of the persons activities."
  3. "Effective communication, and learn what their primary love language is so we can start the right way."
  4. "Someone who is mentally stable, and treats me with respect."
  5. "Trustworthy."
  6. "Trust and respect."
  7. "He has to place others well-fair above his own."
  8. "Someone who has personal integrity, character and conviction."
  9. "Someone who is more playful, who will do things with me, who cares about me."
  10. "I'm looking for someone that I truly love instead of settling."
  11. "Being way too careful....references, background check - seriously.....after I meet them and give them a chance of course."
  12. "It scares me to death. I haven't found anyone yet that can answer these three questions: 1. Do you righteously have a temple recommend? 2. Do you have a positive relationship with you children? 3. Do yo have a job? I don't have to ask the questions, time tells. I guess I will wait before I make a commitment. What I thought I married the first time changed after we were married. So I guess I am looking for consistency."
  13. "The primary thing I am treated with respect and love; if I ever get involved again, i want it to be someone I truly can admire. Also, my ex was inactive, the church meant nothing to him. I want someone who has a testimony."
  14. "Some one whom I can respect and honor their priesthood and some one who will respect me."
  15. "He has to be a man of god, no drinking, no smoking, no drugs, church every week if he can due to work."
  16. "Looking... not for who I can live WITH.. but who I can't live without!"
  17. "More communication. Truly equal in decisions."
  18. "Good father."
  19. "I am looking for someone who's not perfect, but willing to admit their weaknesses and take responsibility for them. I want someone who's honest, vulnerable, respectful, and kind in every setting. I want someone who is willing to speak my love languages of service & quality time. I want someone who is willing to learn & grow together. And someone who will go to counseling even before we're married."
  20. "AN honest man. Who is trully converted."
  21. "Someone who wants to be married to me."
  22. "TRUE COMMITTMENT TO THE CHURCH, SELFLESS NATURE, HONEST WITH ME."
  23. "I MUST have attraction this time, no settling. I must be madly in love with him, can't live without him, want to be with him always, love to talk together, snuggle, and it would be really nice if he had some sensitivity to my needs. It comes naturally with most women to anticipate men's needs, but it would be nice to have a guy looking out for me too." 
  24. "I need someone who is more mellow."
  25. "I'm looking for complete honesty and my best friend, but not hopeful he's out there."
  26. "Good with my kids, steady job, good education, passion for life, motivation to make it through the hard times."
  27. "That we both look out after each other. Work together. Service to each other isn't enough. You have to be friends, work together and actually enjoy being together."
  28. "Making sure that he is mentally stable."
  29. "I hope I'm looking for more eternally important qualities, characteristics in a potential partner."
  30. "Mutual accountability. Healthy respect and kindness. Personally responsible. Live in integrity."
  31. "Cherish the other person above all others and treat each other with love and respect."
  32. "I want someone who is real, fun, intelligent, secure in who he is, who knows how to love and serve." 
  • He will NOT have certain qualities
  1. "He can't be involved with porn."
  2. "Someone who is not self-absorbed, egotistical, selfish...."
  3. "I will not marry someone who has bipolar disorder or any other personality disorder again."
  4. "I avoid men with emotional problems. I have no interest in 'rescuing' anyone."
  5. "I WILL LOOK FOR SIGNS OF HIS BEING A PERVERT."
  6. "To not marry a dictator, to marry a man who respects me more and does not lie, does not cheat."
  7. "Not currently looking...happy with my life, Grandkids and work..too many out there are involved in porn, gambling , drinking or premarital sex....i will wait for the millennium...one of the lost tribes or Teancum!"
  8. "Not marrying a manipulative, controlling man who controls in the name of God and his "priesthood". I want to add that I am not anti-mormon. I am anti men who believe that living this particular religion gives them excess freedoms of prideful opinion and righteous indignation."
  9. "THERE ARE A LOT OF MEN THAT THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HOLD THE PRIESTHOOD, THAT THEIR OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS IN A MARRIAGE. & WHEN ARE PREACHED OVER THE PULPIT THEY DON'T APPLY TO THEM, THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW OF THE REST OF US."
  10. "I would be passing a kidney stone while having pneumonia and my husband would still leave me with the kids and go to work, and expect to have dinner waiting for him when he came home. I want a husband who knows how to take care of me when needed." 
  • I will recognize the red flags this time
WATCH OUT FOR THE RED FLAGS

  1. "Paid more attention to red flags."
  2. "I know the signs of abuse now, I won't fall for it again." 
  3. "Now I can spot a control freak, sociopath a mile away." 
  4. "I am all-too-ready to bail out on a relationship when I see red flags. That's good in a way, but I don't want it to be an obstacle in moving forward. At my age, about the only real candidate for me will be a widower. The divorced men in my age bracket, who are also church members, are generally not good candidates in any way. The men I meet who are not in the church are much better candidates, but back away when I draw the line about chastity before marriage. Fun life, here."
  5. "On my first date with my ex, my instincts told me to run. I will follow those instincts next time and not let my intellect talk me out of it. He appeared to be such a good returned missionary. He was a con-artist of tall proportions." 

  • Get involved in church Single's activities
  1. "I have LDS singles friends groups in my age range on faceebook and can learn about all kinds of men and women this way wiothout being too close... I do not date now... and have not... but am learning slowly to get-to-know others and interact slow but sure... Learning to trust myself and love myself and care for myself is also ongoing but important. Seeking out only those that have LDs standards and a testimony and love for Christ is paramount... like mindedness in faith and ideas and feelings about things in this life and the life to come is very important. How they follow through with these things in their life and also in my life - to see if that could work together is important too... so what they say and what they do are more in harmony - with room for understanding - as I would want as well.."
  2. " It is very difficult for the 45+ crowd. I find that many in that group have rebounded and failed in another marriage. It is increasingly difficult for them to trust or even extend themselves. At this point, I think I would be an excellent marriage partner, but meeting others, or even having men ask, is very difficult. I've tried singles sites, I have a facebook group with close to 300 members (2/3 women), I've gone to firesides and find them a terrible way to develop friendships, there are not a lot of avenues left. But I will keep open, pray for it daily, and keep trying new things."
  3. "The Single's Ward and activities saved me. I made friends there and we got together often. I threw many parties at my place (from Academy Awards to General Conference to pot luck) and had built up a great support group. We struggled together and stuck together through break ups with boyfriends, to some getting married, and are healing together. I could not have had this kind of support in a family ward. The women all thought that I wanted their husbands and shunned me."
  4. "The Single's arena in the church has many great activities and opportunities for worship together, and that added support that singles need. I highly recommend joining up with others who are in the same boat. There is a camaraderie being with those who know what it is like to have failed marriages, abusive/cheating spouses, who are struggling to make ends meet, sometimes while raising kids. No one else gets it. It's the only place you will find understanding."

  • Success stories
  1. "I remarried twenty-one years ago to a widower who is emotionally healthy and I have been very happy in the relationship even though we have had major problems with the children of our combined family, that did not drive a wedge between us."
  2. "I married a man much better than I am. A smart move on my part, and he makes me very happy."
  3. "My forever husband is the complete opposite of the type of men I had dated in the past. I had always picked controlling, abusive men. My husband is SO GOOD to me. In 7.5 years of being married, he has never said an unkind criticism towards me. We have children now, and he has seen me through the worst and is still in love with me! Thank you, Heavenly Father, for encouraging that dirtbag ex of mine to leave me!!!! I would have held on to that marriage tooth and nail, and boy, did I try! So glad there were other forces watching out for me and my sealed, eternal family!! Thank you for this survey; it was very therapeutic to reflect and see how far I've come, and to remember how blessed I feel!!!"
  4. "I have been remarried again for almost 18 yrs. He is a wonderful, secure man who has a deep testimony of the lord and loves me very much and is completely commited to our relationship. I have been very blessed!"
  5. "I am one of the most happily married people that I know."
  6. "I made sure I married a mentally stable man that made me a better person. Someone I hated to be away from, and someone that I could belly laugh with, and have great conversations with."
  7. "I FOUND A GREAT HUSBAND WHO IS PERFECT FOR ME AND BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN ME INSTEAD OF MAKING ME MISERABLE EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE."
  8. "I did find a wonderful man, to my utter astonishment, he passed all of my tests, we married over a year ago, and I have never been so happy in my whole life. I was told that there were good guys out there and did not believe it. I thought I'd live my life alone. Although, being single has not been NEARLY as lonely as being in a marriage with a selfish, unloving, manipulative, cheating man. Now, as miserable as I was, I am on the opposite side of the spectrum in happiness and love."  

A CHANCE AT TRUE AND EVERLASTING LOVE

  • Other:
  1. "Make sure to hug him everyday and tell him that I love him."
  2. "Listen to the holy ghost. Realize that we each are who we are and will not be changing just to keep a relationship going."
  3. "I am currently not ready to date but am working on making new friends and doing things as a single person--not just as a mom. Some things that I am looking at are: Pay attention to those promptings and signs that what they say doesn't match up to what they do."
  4. "My ex husband was the bishop so I'm looking for ?"
  5. "Not looking for "next relationship" yet waiting for my kids to leave home. It's too late in the game for me to bring a man to the house. I don't feel that it's fair to them."
  6. "Though I do not feel the divorce was my fault, I still learned a great deal from it, and much more since joining the church, I am in a much better place to choose a spouse now, and a much better place to make it work."
  7. "I waited to get divorced until my kids were all grown. It took a toll on my self-esteem and health. I don't know if I recommend it, I almost didn't survive. But my kids are firm in the gospel and are very emotionally healthy. But they did not support me in the split, though I am still loving them and they are coming around. I am looking for someone who has always been a good father, and who will be a good father-in-law to my children, and a good grandfather to my grandchildren. It is a family deal after all. He'd better love children this time."
  8. "Not very hopeful."
  9. "I wish I had a crystal ball to look into each man and see who he really is.....I'm tired of the fake churchy men who come to the Single's Ward just to find a wife. Most men just stop coming to church after a divorce, which tells me that they wouldn't go without a woman kicking him out the door. I want a guy who gets himself there for the right reasons." 
  10. "It's hard to have a relationship. When you work, and have your kids 24/7, it's hard to find time to date. I've done some Internet dating."
  11. "Making sure my kids and I are ok and ready and that I have the Lord's permission to proceed."
  12. "I'm really cautious of dating. My eyes are more open. My kids come first."
  13. "I only trust God...not my choice in men."
  14. "I don't know if I trust my taste in men, or won't be fooled again."
  15. "Told him if he thought of leaving the church to be honest with me & not hide it until it's too late."
  16. "I have had to move and completely start over somewhere new. I am making new friends to replace the ones I lost. I stay away from family wards, I have never been treated so badly. Even though he was the cheater. I have the 'D word' on my forehead and am not accepted anymore." 
  17. "To be honest, I don't date - don't receive interest. From the time of his infidelity/leaving/filing for divorce to the divorce being final was only five months. It all happened rather quickly. There wasn't truly an opportunity for working anything out, or really even knowing he wasn't happy in the marriage."
  18. "It depends on who I meet. If I meet someone compatible, I may not need to change anything. If I meet someone who enjoys different things than I, I would try to enjoy those things too."
  19. "I JUST DON'T FEEL HOPEFUL OF EVER BEING IN A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP."
  20. "Reveiw my list on what is important to me and make sure he really loves my core being. Make a pre-marriage agreement and/ or counceling to include how you see finances spent, where you would like to live together.How you will blend the families. What the expectations are."
  21. " The answer is no--I did not do everything I could to save the marriage. I could have saved the marriage the same way I did for years, being numb and living a joyless, empty life. I could have saved my marriage, but I would have lost myself forever. I had to choose, and I finally made the right choice."
  22. "Advice for internet daters, talk for a long time before meeting, then only meet at a public place. The temple is a good place to start, find out if he has a current recommend. Stay away from his or your place. If he pushes to find a more intimate setting, don't fall for it. Too many of these guys want to get you in bed. Trust me on this!" 

44. Do you feel like you did everything you could to save the marriage? 

  1. YES...........................................................................................89.8%
  2. NO.............................................................................................10.2%

45. Overall, which social group in your life was the most helpful during/after your divorce? 

(ranking from 1-very helpful, to 6-not very helpful) 

____________1 extremely    2 very     3 somewhat   4 occasionally  5 seldom   6 never     
Ward leadership.......13.0%........15.2%.........18.5%.............22.8%............9.8%.......20.7%
Ward membership.....5.4%.........15.2%.........28.3%............23.9%............18.5%.......8.7%
Friends......................28.3%........31.5%.......13.0%..............6.5%...............8.7%.......12.0%
Family.......................51.1%.......25.0%........12.0%..............5.4%..............5.4%..........1.1%
Home Teachers..........0.0%..........5.4%.........10.9%.............22.8%............34.8%......26.1%
Visiting Teachers.......2.2%..........7.6%.........17.4%.............18.5%............27.2%......27.2%


46. What state/country did you live in during the divorce?

Utah, California, Idaho, Washington, Colorado, New York, Texas, North Carolina, Ireland, Ohio, Oregon, Oklahoma, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, England, New Zealand, Canada, Scotland, Europe.

CONTRIBUTORS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD

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THANKS TO ALL WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS SURVEY. YOUR VOICE HAS BEEN HEARD.